In the rules it says you have to wait for both teams to say 'ready' on chat. Now I understand this is so the infected can have time to get into position.

But can we have it clarified what the purposes of this time is for and how long a team is expected to wait.

I'm asking cause last night we were made to wait the full 15 minutes at the start (totally fine cause its in the rules) then on the 15 min mark when the other team finally ready'd up they said 'dont forget its in the rules that theres a courtesy ready'

then proceeded to make us wait until the safe room opened by itself so they could spent 10 minutes killing themselves until they had the infected combo they wanted. (resulting in a 10-15 min wait after readying up EVERY ROUND)

then every round after that if they were human they mucked around disconnecting and reconnecting players for a considerable time (atleast 15mins at one stage) and whenever they were infected we were made to wait ages after everyone had typed ready so they could spend 5-10 mins killing themselves.

by the time it got to our turn as human on the 4th round and got told for the 8th round in a row 'oh you have to wait again' so they could **** about killing themselves we quite frankly got fed up , we had played about 20mins of playtime and spent a good 45 mins waiting. so we forfeited cause the rules dont state the max time we have to wait for them to say ready, leaving us with the option of the distasteful long waits being forced upon us or just forfeit. with the constant reminders from the other team everytime we complained about the long waits on chat 'you have to wait for the courtesy ready' (alas theres no max time for this courtesy ready)

anyways why exactly do we need a courtesy ready in the first place, if the other team has already typed ready ? is it for this exact purpose of killing yourself so you can get the perfect combo or is it so you can reconfigure your modem every round ? or is it just so you can quickly get into position .... like i mean if you can move your infected selves around during the time when you have to type ready so the map starts, why do you need a 2nd ready up period ?

and if its needed, can we have it clarified in the rules how long that period is, so we dont have to experience waiting more than playing in the future....

wow that is really lame, haha.

bl there man, tbh if the infected had started spawning, killing themselves and that jazz, they're as ready as they need to be, and if your ready you should be able to go.

Making an already lengthy game go that much longer, they're quite the ****s. Cant get your time back now can you.

*Also the ready is just for both teams to ensure all the players are loaded and stable. Also allowing like, 30 seconds to a minute to get your infected OUT of the saferoom to where they have to be, sometimes theres a bit of team tactics chat.

The thing is, both teams get the same rotation of infected amirite? That is done for the exact purpose of balance and they're kinda ruining that.

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At the moment we are the only league (that i know of) that enforces courtesy readies. I think that they are not needed unless somebody dc's and a pause is required. Teams that cycle spawns using the world environment are no better then Hyu.

I would also suggest you contact and admin, because by abusing the courtesy readies they are exploiting the rules that are in place and are in my opinion it is grounds for match dispute (thats if you lost).

Fairly presumptuous of you to assume we were killing ourselves for better spawns, we did nothing of the sort. We used the infected we were given at the beginning of the map, and if you paid attention you'd notice that both teams are given the exact same inital infected spawns.

I truely did have terrible problems with my internet last night. Every 5 seconds I'd get the retrying connection to the server issue and could not move. I apologised for that several times, it's more frustraiting for me than it is for you to have these connection problems, believe me.

I've seen the match dispute, and this will be dealt with there. Lets not have specific discussion on that match here. Rather, focus on the rule clarification.

The courtesy ready was introduced in L4D1 due to teams (especially the ones playing survivors second) fagrushing out of the saferoom door and giving the infected 0 chance at attacking before 15% of the map. In L4D2, confogl fixed this issue by allowing infected to move and set up during RUP times. However, in a lot of games I have played, ref'd, shoutcasted, I still see people getting the frozen ghost infected, and cant move until RUP is over. What if this is the charger on Parish 1? Smoker on SF4? Charger on HR1? Is it balanced that one team was able to set up their attack, and one team was not? Should courtesy readies only be needed if the infected team call "Frozen ghost - Need readies"?

Does the safe room door still open automatically when the initial !readyup is in play while everyone is frozen? Can you control the time it takes for the safe room door to automatically open?
You could make it so the infected side has a maximum of until the saferoom door opens to give the courtesy ready, and then the game is on (unless both teams agree to wait for whatever reason I suppose, in which case a pause is probably a good option.)

Edit: Also for maps 2 and 3 of Dead Center there are no places you can spawn cycle (at least that I'm aware of), and with the very early tank on map 1 out the door, any initial attack was rendered pretty pointless, so this accusation is entirely uncalled for, and really hurts. We're a clan who don't take this competition very seriously and play it for fun. You're making us look like we're trying to win at all costs, if we wanted to do that we'd be better off scrimming and pugging every day than coming up with new spawn cycling strats -_-

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I'm pretty sure that's the rule right now - if the other team hasn't readied up by the time the saferoom door opens, you can go. If it's not a rule, it should be.

If you were actually having issues with your Internet, or whatever your problem was, you could've used the !fpause function. This freezes the game as it is and can actually prevent an instant-tank from spawning as well.

Also, I was having weird ass issues on SFR servers yesterday as well. Black Ops was doing the same thing, I couldn't connect to a number of servers until about 10-15 minutes later.

That's pretty filthy. Obviously it was more than just "sry my net is crap again" from you Iji, or else Freaktm wouldn't have taken the time to type up such a lengthy post. Extremely bad sportsmanship from my PoV. It's understandable that you can't always be ready from the get-go by making the opposing team wait like this at the beginning of each level is disgusting.

Personally, I would've just kgogapped it. If it was obvious the other team was doing it because OMG DEY R LIEK SUCH GUD 4CHAN TROLLS LULS! DID IT 4 DA LULS! ^_^ BOXXY then that's all the motivation I'd need and I'm sure a simple upload of your demo showing them being c*nts would be more than enough for the Admins to neglect their dispute if they lodged one.

Hm, attempting character assassination on someone you don't know, about a situation you've no insight on, or is even relevant to you in any way.

Summary: "trololol" +1 to post count

Not character assassination at all, buddykins. I didn't say you did all that, I said that obviously it was more than you claimed it was which is why Freak posted. The rest was merely an example of what I'd do if I felt the opposite team were just being douchebags, as obviously this is how Freak and his team felt. Even if you didn't mean too, how're they supposed to know that? You say sorry and then make them wait another 15 minutes. And then another. Kk bro.

You say 'obviously', that is a very strong word. It's implying you know exactly what happened, which you don't. All you know is Freak's exaggerated rant and based an opinion off of that. Your opinion is neither constructive nor needed, I'm sure you could spend your time more constructively than this. I know I can.

Sorry zombie.

I think you should spend time elsewhere instead of wasting time Iji.

I know what happened and it was frustrating waiting for you to sort out your net you abused the ready system just to drag the game out i think that a pause should have been used
and maybe a time limit on the ready should be in place

Such accusations once again. Believe me my net issues are just as frustraiting to me, we were enjoying the game and would have liked to continue it. Whether we paused or not the wait would have been the same, in fact the only difference would have been your jockey on map 3 couldn't have come into the safe room and scratched my team while I was reconnecting.