s I'll upload some orsm HR skeets for you later

Yes Hauks. I'm new to this game!

Anthrax huh? He's done nothing but improve, you should be well aware of this Hali, he used to be in HxJ. His individual skills were not the best back then...

Silent Assassin huh? Exact same story, don't know if you're aware but he used to be a pubber, started an LFC thread on the forums then joined V3, went on from there...

Both of them arent previous Exodus players.

Valor is way better now than he was.

As for the rest of the players.. Megaman doesn't play and most of them joined up in l4d2.
AA,Davo etc.

Please list some more bad examples sir!

L4D was never about skeets or 25s. They rarely, if ever, break a match. As long as 1 person can land 1 punt, it doesn't matter if the rest miss so much, if you instantly clear 1 hunter, he does no damage.

If you look back in the day top clans were always LFS and they mostly fielded the same lineup. Yea, more L4D is being played now days but mostly it's just pugs, everyone's a different player and the attacks are never in sync, sometimes survivors will have different ideas and get mixed up, etc, etc. Compare that to the core [], 4Q, Crayons lineup that played day in day out. It would be insane the way people would just feed off of each other's little cues and habits.

[] could play with no mics and sync every attack (well, without beq ).

I don't miss my punting ability, or my skeeting, or some map tricks I forgot, I mainly miss my situational awareness. You just knew where everyone was at any given time, so it didn't matter if you got huntered, I know even if I got huntered I was next to someone who could insta-clear.

I can't get that back without playing like 100 scrims with the same people and quite frankly I don't plan to, it's just a bit of fun now.

In some ways L4D1 has gone back to its really early pub days. People getting the hunter and trying to do something epic (before it was kai jumping, now it's bunny hopping) and survivors hanging around to land that LOLSKEET. Because if you take away the static teams, that's all you're left with.

Yeah I totally agree, even if ppl have developed better punting skills,etc., ultimately it's still a team game and the most well-oiled teams were probably from the past when a lot of time and effort was put in to playing and geling with your teammates.

Feeling so much animosity coming from Pengu right thurr.

I like you mate, but frankly, you're extremely ignorant if you think that a bunch of random dudes of varying skill who play on the same pug team once every couple of days are better than teams that would scrim up to 5 times a day with the exact same lineup.

There's only been 2 active L4D Clans for the past year and a half, those being DV one and Ogros' clan. Not only was the active clanbase limited to 2, but they were both pub Clans. IE all they did was play Pub because it was really all they COULD do, as every other clan had moved onto fknshitgam (L4D2). Now, that's 2 clans that play Pub (Pub can't even be thought of as the same game as competitive L4D) and they don't spend nearly as much time in Pub as old clans did in pure SCRIMS (Prob 'coz they've got lives + dead gam).

How can you even begin to think that teams without a chance to grow except for learning how to punt high pounces, would be wtfdomin8 every other clan? Now, I'm not saying they're bad because I've played with a few of these dudes and they're pretty solid, but I have seen A LOT of mistakes made, that back in the day, we would've labelled as terribad player mistakes. But it's not because whoever made the mistake is bad, it's purely because playing Pubs and not having 30 clans to scrim with means you can't grow and can't develop certain atk/map knowledge/experience.
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That is what made the older teams so strong. Constantly scrimming and constantly being under pressure by players at the same level, or even higher, is what makes you and your team better. Pit a soccer team of 25 yr olds against a kindergarten soccer team for a year and then see how well they play against an actual competitive team.

Pugs are not scrims. Pugs are games meant for fun and to keep people from turning rusty (Which a lot of old players are). Just because you beat a pug with 2 dudes in it 1 day, doesn't mean you're better than them at all. They might kick your ass the next day in another pug. Also, most pug teams don't have any organisation without a caller or someone to follow. Without someone to follow, the overall play is generally at a lower level.

Always looking for scrims, but no one plays. This game is more dead then L4D2 teehee.
I'd <3 to vs an old school lineup.

oi nah pengu but for real you're the only one who thinks teams today could stand a chance against teams from back in the day

imo the overall individual skill level of everyone is about the same or a little worse than the old school top teams (cept bhopping which pretty much only jas could do confidently in a game and now everyone does) but l4d is a team game and those top old clans could wipe the floor with any of the new ones simply because every attack was almost if not perfectly synced (had to deal with t2 so every attack had to be perfect to do any damage) and everyone knew where everyone was and what they were doing at any given time even without them saying anything on the mic

tldr; individual skillz about the same but team skillz suck balls now

Because 99% of play in this game is pugs.
What needs to happen is people need to take the initiative to make teams and play with some ringers.

Most of my team is afk atm, but I'm sure once we all get back we'd scrim occassionally for the giggles.

I could see most teams happy to play a ladder, just not be as active as they used to be with scrims. I mean in the end, what's the harm in this? People will play clan games, etc, just not as hardcore as we all used to.

P.S Incoming new zombie fragfest night, I will post up some deets too in a new thread tonight, and most likely for the giggles, will get a few community members come in for a chat and what not about how l4d is currently going in Australia, casual chat for funs

Vote for the crayons v [] match to be replayed. Some epic moments in that match, especially on map 3 with both teams making it into the saferoom with at least one survivor on B&W.

pat survivor mvp map 5

Hyu, I was gonna dig up some ozl4d if I could - Less cevo basically, but that match was also fantastic. Also Pat falling off plane in matches with scores worth 8 k bombings? Priceless.

Remember the thread we had a while back and we made up achievements and shit? Pengu for biggest gronk of the year. Also for dumb cocksmoker.

new players can be better than old players, just because you've played for a while doesn't mean your good. I mean, look at Giraffe. Generally speaking though someone like noob who played ages ago and still practices will have a slight edge just with experience.

TLDR Pengu is a shit****.

Ignoring Nigglus (baited ****, go not play some more) and listening to the proper statements you do bring up some valid points. Especially Reaver & Jas.

But I think everyone thinks way to little of everything now. I'm well aware of punting / skeeting thing that happens, personally I move out of the way instead of punting/skeeting. But I'm refering to the ladder matches that have happened, not so much the pugs.

I still think a major thing was map knowledge back then. Cevo was pretty blah n stuff with 25's. Frustians did bring in a point to 25'ing.

And maybe I was a bit over the top about all the new players. But some of you are failing to realise I have been around in this community for quite a while as well and seen it evolve.

Anyways sorry for derailing the thread, Hauks.
Benchwarmin' NigglusZ.
gg reaver
gg jas

PPS: I was refering to shutting down attacks! Not punts & skeeterz ;0

yeah, you meant it as a bait. Hauks already inb4d that sorry mate.