Like haymakers? ohwait-

Just cause something takes a while to perfect doesn't make it fair - e.g. the tele-spawn bug took good timing but it doesn't make it a skill being able to teleport a boomer ontop of a survivor. I don't expressly disagree with you, just saying that when you're utilizing a bug to your advantage, it doesn't make it any better if it involves skill PS: re you can bind this.

I'm not quite sure why I'm arguing so hard against bhops, I don't actually really care much either way, I just can't help trying to dismantle other people's points D:

Anyway, bhop thing and lerp is up to the community, rest of it is good.

are you sure bhops are a bug pretty sure they've been in source games since counter strike you'd think they would have done something to fix it if they didn't want it in like speed climbing ladders

Hali is ******* smart guy. Highly recommend.
Same with Quakes & strafe jumping. THEY NEVER removed it.

Also xan you can hardly compare bhops to glitch spawning or haymakers. both of these are literally spamming of a button, bhop takes timingz and mad skillz and stuff.

Yup. It's not game breaking or anything but it's not intended, no real need to fix it - like speed climbing. (note, they still haven't fixed glitch spawning in L4D1 and imo that's a pretty game breaking bug, valve has strange priorities)


Both require exact timing. Haymakers required pressing M1 and M2 at the exact same time which took about as much prac as it takes to bhop (as survivors at least) and glitch spawning required the same thing - pressing e and m1 at the same time. Albeit, they're different types of timing, with more extrinsic difficulty in bhops because you don't have control of when you land (curse you, gravity), but it's still all timing.

My point is just that there's lots of things that take skill, just that you need to prac something doesn't make it ok, the examples may not be exactly the same, but they serve their purpose ^_^