Hi all, just wanted to express my excitement about BF3 and try and find out few things about BF community on CG.
I have been in AUS Xbox community for some time now and have extended experience in organizing tournaments on Lan and online. I understand how much work it takes from the admins and other volunteers to get these things going and making them successful. I also understand that the marketing has to be right and it plays a major roll in getting the numbers in.
I would love to see BF3 take off on CG for few reasons.

- I know number of teams and lots of randoms out there on live that are really exited about it.
- CG is the best bloody site on net and it should be the home of BF3 console. There is no excuse why it shouldn't.
- I would enjoy the s&% out of it.

So? I have few questions if you dont mind:

- Can we meet the admin team please. See the list and detailed duties?
- I read about admins needing some help. Can we see a proper add about it with duties involved please. I would hate to see it done in secrecy.
- I know there is no enough info on the game it self but admins must have some idea about the ladder system and how it would work. Dont forget we all just want to help here.
- What is being done to promote CG BF3 ladder and what should be targeted.
- Should BF3 be competitive, casual or something in between? This could be a topic on its own. Remember BF3 on Xbox and PC are different. BF3 does not have to be as competitive as COD or Halo. I would cater for people who play it most.
- How are the relations with POA and other site that matter?
- How much say do the clans/customers have?

I guess this should be ok to start with and I hope that admins find the time to answer these questions as i am sure the better the community is informed the better BF3 on CG will be.

Oh, and yes, lets try an get more hard core BF players involved. Lets get them of their ass

Edited once, 12/9/11 - 2:24pm.

Most the community on CG wont enjoy BF competitively, because in COD if your good, your known for being good because you get alot of kills etc.. Where on BF its more team work and good players dont stand out as much. Thats just my opinion and a few others.

But i for one, am most likely buying it on PC for various reasons.

Yer it would be good if it ook off and would not only boost the rep of Aussy gamers, but im over cod personally and would love a chance at a new game competitive.

That is true. That is why comparing COD and BF is very hard and in most cases it should not be done. Still drawing on experiences of other communities is smart. We should probably;y think which community is similar to BF.

Will never happen I have tried previously but yeah. GL though

could happen, but the game needs to have good reveiws for people to try it. I am over cod and would love to see this GL.

I will be getting it on PC and xbox. No doubt if its a good game CG will add some ladders.

Ask The Salt as he is one of the BF3 admins atm and im sure will do some if not most of the work.
Would love to see this game become really competitive.

tell me about it...i cant believe more people arent getting over CoD. It is the same SH1T different box. Everyone thought Black Ops was gona be hectic....but it was truly an epic let down.
And people think MW3 is gona be epic....i can tell these people that it is going to be a let down....coz CoD has been around too long and it is just getting more and more repetitive.

And i highlt doubt that there will be a ladder or 2 of it because BFBC2 has a ladder and that was no where near as anticipated as BF3.

I mean i am looking forward to GOW3 50x more than MW3


People need to try other things.

In the past Battlefield has been developed, primarily, with the PC in mind and what i have heard as of yet BF3 is no different, because of this the console iterations of these games are often forgotten about as the developers usually produce low quality console versions. Also i hear that BF3 will only run at 30 fps, whilst mw3 will be 60 fps, meaning that BF3 will not be as smooth running. tbh i don't think this will be a very good game (atleast on the consoles) and will not be very good for competitive. Thats just my opinion and i may be wrong, we'll just have to wait and see ... just wait till it comes out, give it a couple of weeks, then if its good decide whether it is appropriate for competitive

Good. This is what we need, a constructive feedback. I agree with your worries. Still, since BF is a big team game and xbox community is smaller then PC it will need to be approached carefully. Maybe it does not have to be hard core in the beginning. Cater for the wider community. Separate later.

Just a thought.

I'll say gday but admin lists and duties are not important. What I can tell you is currently we are just providing information on BF3 as we find it to build the excitement for the game and interest on CG.
Yes we need help, but at this stage we dont know how popular the game is going to be here on CG. We will be throwing open discussions about the OPEN BETA when it arrives (very shortly) and allowing people to express their thoughts on the game. Hopefully it finds some traction amongst Aussie gamers. This is when we will announce a ladder system


My initial thoughts on the ladder are Conquest has its own ladder as it is the premier BF experience and main game mode for competitive play. For 8-12 players per side. 2 rounds (from either end provided we have time to take screen shots of ticket counts)

After that it gets a little more difficult....I say this because I know Rush is a popular game mode for many. However its not very competitive if you only play one round. You're either an attacker or a defender. There are ways around this, the team on top can be the defender but some maps this is unfavourable to determine a win and resulting ladder position from. Therefore to be truly competitive both teams need to Attack and Defend. Last year it was mentioned that teams didnt have the time to play both rounds. (I found this to be odd but thats what the community at the time was saying) - even if we do play both rounds we need some measure to be able to determine the winner. How this is done is too hard to determine without actually playing the game. However we would think that it would prob work on how many bases your team captures on Attack - if both teams get to the last base on Attack then might have to be based on tickets. If its a tough match and bases taken on last dying tickets everytime over both rounds then yes...you're going to be in for one hell of a match but might take up to 90minutes to get a result.

Personally I think thats epic....not sure how the community feels. I'd love to put a Rush ladder in as well, but we'll have to see where the teams land and so forth

The other 2 game modes are TDM (which we know from COD is a camp fest at a top competitive level) so Im loath to really spend much time or dedication on this by itself. Maybe we could incorporate TDM with a Squad Rush ladder or just leave it out completely? The difficulty of doing this is Squad Rush is 4 v 4 and TDM is anywhere up to 12 players so it'd have to be a mimimum of 4 but open to agreement between captains how many players they want for TDM....i.e. ..4 -8 players dual ladder.



I think the most important element for any new Aussie BF community is the activeness of ladders. This is what we are trying to promote more than anything. Teams and ladders that play together stay together. So the COD style of ladder system here on CG (being able to challenge half way up etc) will prob not work as it does not encourage teams to take on the top spot, or allow those teams up top to be able to challenge down. The result is less gametime for the most serious teams....which is wrong! They need to be rewarded for keeping the ladders active. However we wanna have some rules on this as well so that top teams cant pick up cheap wins on those at the bottom, or indeed keep playing the same teams over and over. (that is what we will still have to work out - open to any suggestions)

The very nature of Conquest is that the game type itself is competitive and on a larger scale of consideration for clans. Those extra 2 players need to be available so teams should really be looking at finding these blokes DURING THE BETA to fill out their teams/squads. We dont want lots of teams with 6 or less players...so potential merges between COD teams that like and respect each other is something some of these teams should be looking at. This can only be achieved with good leadership so clan members shouldnt be biting their tongues they should be asking their captains "OI WHAT ARE WE DOING FOR BF3?" and having those questions sessions within the team themselves.

Relations are good, those boys are welcome here as are we over there. They had some issues with the CG community at large last year and rightly so. So how we go about it for BF3 will determine their interest.

I think CG has the far superior interface, functionality, ladder software, notifications and leader boards system by comparison. CG is a world class gaming website. Fact is there is some non CG love over there for COD players in general. Anyway as those boys know im all about BF and not an us versus them mentality which Im not 100% is reciprocated. They wanna do their own thing, but just looking at it on the whole I dont think POA is anywhere near the level of sophistication as CG is...thats not a negative just a fact. From my understanding at this stage its really a social gaming site that loves BF with about 6 POA teams that play BF and other games on. Hardly the kickarse best teams around...but thats no disrespect rather the nature of the BF in Australia where its not really challenged anywhere in any capacity at the moment. So they have their own plans for ladder software and possible tourny....so really Im not in a position to comment.

At this stage the CG ladders are here to attract those guys wholeheartedly, and the Aussie gaming community, most noticeably COD as that's the dominant game around here. If that doesn't happen


Heaps!

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This is a good point also, if BF3 has one advantage over cod its the big team format and as Taal0n was saying before teamwork is a big factor which is always a good thing. If admins can organise it well than it might work but as you say it'll have to be approached carefully, overall however BF3 definately has potential

I actually beg to differ and have made this point in a massive opinion piece on console BF. The fact that it is a PC port means that the game is going to be GREAT for consoles, if you have the time please read.

www.cybergamer.com.au/forums/thread/275286

This is not a negative in any aspect. BF2MC was an amazing game because it took its gameplay, design and in game functionality directly from PC and brought that to the console.

In regards to your point about 30fps/720p please read this thread

www.cybergamer.com.au/forums/thread/279914

The games we have been served up since (BF Badcompanys included) have on the majority been sub par since 2006. That game was a last gen console title ported to 360. You cant explain the gameplay with any real justice, the level of competitive clan activity unless you were there and did it. You'd spend all Sundays playing 10 or more clan matches all day! Was amazing game. Those that were there for the ride still maintain its the best FPS online warfare game they've ever played, even with its issues (such as knee sliding, worm glitching, and server dropping which I can explain if anyone is interested)

Will the CG community adapt and make the change....well...that depends on the game. If its as good as I think it will be then I honestly believe it'll be a case of WHY ARENT WE PLAYING BF.....anyone who doesn't well...ya gotta question their tastes.

If ya like Maccas over Roasts well then no matter how good the roast is ya wont wanna eat it.

The hardcore pro COD teams will be playing that shit again, I have no doubts especially if they had good seasons here on CG, sponsorships, reputation and graphics/logos etc - I'd just think they'll be further niche gaming themselves if they turn their back on a quality game.

BF3 will be a worthy successor to this gen consoles as a true next gen title alongside COD4. Already BFBC2 is a superior game to Black Ops its just the Aussie BF community is very small. So we had teething problems last year as it was our first year. Overseas however its far bigger especially US/UK.

I must mention though CG COD didnt start off with a bang, anywhere near the level it is now, that came from the community and some smart individuals who wanted to make a difference. Look at this place now...its a world class gaming site. Nor has COD had any competition from other titles to the level that BF3 will bring from here on out....this Frostbite 2 is the leading game engine in the world - what it can do is quite spectacular.

If Battlelogs has a form of clan support, the scheduling of games could be done IN GAME and CG might only be beneficial for ladder placings. As it looks with new Platoon feature you can create and recruit clan mates all in game - with your platoon picking up experience for kills/wins etc for even PUB games.

Regardless this will be the game to play this year unless as stated you're so ingrained in COD. Many like me have been there done that and wanting so much more.

Thanks Salt, this is great feedback. Great start towards a good BF3 ladder.

More info on the game would make everything easier so we do have to wait a bit i guess. Still, we can put few comments forward that might be of use. It's good that you are open to suggestions as I found my self that to be the best way of getting things right. Naked truth baby!!!

Can we at least know how many guys are helping you. Hope you are not taking the load on your self. Everyone burns out at the end like that. Everyone.

When it comes to promoting the game to the players, that is OK, but I think EA is doing that job pretty good anyway. What I want to say having some concrete stuff down about the ladder or anything to do with it as early as possible would get the excitement going even higher. Timing is a bitch Beta will help.

Wanted to highlight the importance of early feedback before the decision is made. This works in business, sport, gaming...any organization. Thats why I wrote this so we have a forum going where everyone can get involved now while it matters so that you can get the best feedback from the people who will be involved. Information is always an asset. I will try and steer some people this way. All existing captains should speak now but keeping in mind that not everyone will be happy at end. As long as majority IS. Also Captains, keep your attack dogs on leash

On the ladder system, I will give it some thought. I wish I knew CG limitations. Anyhow, this is another topic, very important one.
I am glad relations are good with other sites. You dont mind if I link this to some other forums .

Miggs:
Two good points. I always thought BF should push a thing that makes it more enjoyable than COD, at least for me , and that is the big maps and vehicles. Anything smaller that imitates COD is just not that exiting and should be played in small dosages. Lets be frank, give me T90 any day and I dont care how pro you are with your rifle or how OP'ed it is, I am gona fix you right up. That is if team work fails...

PS: there are so many randoms out there playing. One thing that Halo community does well is steering these randoms towards the right forums to look for teams. Every BF player from here should do the same. PUT TI IN YOUR BIO! I will do tonight. BF3 Ladders on www.cybergamer.com.au easy.