Yeah your right haha agree to disagree One day when private servers arise.. we will end this little argument

disagree man when im flying i can disable a tank in 1 or 2 passes if i feel like plying. i think jets are useless in the wrong hands, if you have a couple of decent flyers you get air superiority, which mean no choppas and jets which makes it easier for your friendly choppa and tanks to do damage on the ground. also so its what you should do is get your wingman to put on beam scanning,flares,heat seekers(he will focus mostly on the air vehicles only making passes on ground troops when theres no body up stairs) get the other jet to have air radar,flares,pods (he will call out to the other jet about enemy air vehicles, he can help eliminate air threats while also helping on the ground with his pods and cannon) one the best setups you could have

your on... an twitch... i find ecm jammer much more effective than flares

Im talking about locations like on top of the large construction building on Gulf of Oman. Only way in is via choppa, you have height advantage and can pretty much watch that flag, have ya team-mates spawn there, get killed and respawn uncontested right next to the flag - having one up there pretty much allows that team to control the flag no matter how hard you try get it back. With the flag capture area significantly smaller and open its a massive advantage - and little reward for the team that takes them out from that location should they manage to do so as you haven't destroyed the MSP - when your talking 3 flags or even 4 that MSP makes a huge impact on that map - completely different from finding a MSP on say Op Metro

- if you set one up on the other side of the map same near flags A & B - even sending a crew back to go get them before you're halfway thru taking the flag you'll have 3 or 4 dudes on you that only got there that quickly because of a MSP - you're objective is getting across in a fast mover is to take the flag, stopping to check the second level of a building or a bush/rocks just off to the side is not your priority - so now you have 2 flags covered out of 3 or 4....blerrr...its not BF...

Another MSP location im noticing that pisses you off is Flag B on Strike at Karkland - very open with buildings around and directly above the flag - if you don't have armour forget it - I gotta a ripper nade up there the other day only to have them respawn directly above me as i started to take the flag - I got cover against the sniper up there and got rpg'd from above as others spawned there/changed class after my nade

I think jets are very handy on ground targets with team work - problem is not many people use them for such, but co-ordinated teamwork a jet can put enough damage on a tank especially from behind in fly by that allows ground targets to finish it off

Valid points Salt, I guess i just haven't come up against any opponent smart enough to use them so effectively. The main point I like to stick to which is why I don't like MSP's is the fact that they eliminate the main use/purpose of fast movers. Being in a situation where your halfway across the map to a flag that your team is losing and having to get across there quick, undetected and efficiently is part of the fun the BF brings, MSP's can take away from this experience.

In the end though it wouldn't bother me too much if they were allowed unless every team started using them as their main strat.

i just like doing stunts in them lol. see if the other jets can follow me.

i have fun after hours of practice they were a bit under powered but now they have been patched to beef them up a little so now i have fun and get decent games

yea my wingman runs ecm, i havent run ecm at all on the the jets only a little on the choppa and i didnt like it that much but ill give it ago when i get on

I raged tonight like I HAVE NEVER RAGED BEFORE... The new jets suck balls, you go to brake to do a sharp turn and it just stops... WTF!!! and almost every player on the enemy team was using the MAV glitch to get to extremely high places in the new maps... really wish they'd patch that shit

RAAAAAaaaaaaaAaaaAAaAAAAaAAGE!!!

I did a narly break out in a game we joined late the other day.....from Flag B on same map Gulf of Oman, had the 120mm shelling the building, the 30mm and heaps of soldiers surrounding us. I spawned ran straight at the tank and jumped into the fast mover next to it - clapped it out of there....zigging and zagging with shots firing over head and losing partial health from the .50cal, I had Koala and Sev spawn on me

.......only to bite it hard into one of the burnt out cars heading towards flag D "Construction" just sitting there trying to move, revving the engine, I finally wiggled it out and then had to try get across the lines as the bugger in the 120mm kept missing next to us....he finally found his range and Me and Koala got toasted - I was fair dirty on the chicken bone stuck in me throat (choke!) - thankfully Sev got out and away

I don't like MAV's full stop - frigging sound of them, buzzing around, like bloody massive mozzies and again something that gets whored. Someone was saying they were in a game with 5 of them flying around the map killing everyone.....geezus!

Yeah man thats what makes the game so fun and intense!! Thats what fast movers bring to the game! Not having an instant transmission portal.. Some time dev's go a bit too far on things and trying to have that innovative feature. Like I said I would be happy to play against them but I think the game would be more enjoyable without them.

Yeah a proper BF experience