This game is becoming ridiculous, the rules are not consistent and seem to be made depending on the menstrual cycle of the relevant admin on the relevant day.

The rules state:
"No Glitching is allowed. Definition of Glitching: "Glitching the practice of finding and exploiting flaws or glitches in video games to achieve something that was not intended by the game designers. Gamers who engage in this practice are known as glitchers. Glitches can help the player""

From this it is ok to ladder strafe to climb the ladder faster than if you otherwise climb it straight up (obviously this was intended by the designers given that it takes massively 'l33t' skills to accomplish it). Apparently this is not exploiting a flaw or glitch in the game.

BTW the fact that it has been around for ages and 'everybody' does it (noting that NNQQ witnessed it in a CG game for the 1st time vs V3, and no other clan we have played on DA has previously used it).

On the other side of the spectrum, picking up a molotov when it randomly spawns in the right spot on DA map 3, and throwing it to set off the trigger early (which actually takes a small amount of skill... certainly more than quick climbing) is an exploit and not allowed because it reduces the horde (which horde are completely ineffectual for the most part when you are in the garage or the safe room).

Then again it is legal to trigger and then retreat to the same area as you are not allowed to do with the molly, providing you don't use the molly. OK... WTF?

Defending Spots:

The rules do not permit you to hide behind the hospital bed near the elevator on NM map 4 (which the rules wrongly refer to as NM 3), but yet it is perfectly fine to hide in the closet behind. OK.

The rules do not permit you to defend along the tape on DA map 5, apparently because it is too hard to attack the survivors. Otherwise it is ok to defend the corner where it is equally as hard, if not harder, to attack the survivors. OK... WTF?

Obstacles:

WTF were the admins thinking that day? Apparently it is a gross exploit to use to tables on DA map 4 to block the door to the room? Ok... as opposed to just standing in the room and watching the AI get confused anyway.

Long story short, some consistency would be nice.

ps. Please don't disallow hunter bunny pouncing!

Why did you make another thread? Also i do not think abusing the admins publicly is the best way to get your point across. The admins do what they do for free and on their own time so you really should be a little more thankful.

Secondly speed climbing has been not llegal in any half-life 2 engine based game that i know of in nearly any competition. Including the US & EU - so if you have a major problem with it email valve and ask them to fix it.

The dead air example is silly the reason you can't trigger it with a molotov is so that the infected can have on attempt at stopping you. Just like on the ladder they have an attempt to stop you speed climbing or not.

The Obstacles example is something minor but i can see the reasons for why it was deemed illegal.

The game unlike it's sequel L4D2 allows for camping. It's just a fact - the admins do their best to keep the rules updated to weed out the most horrible spots but you can't change rules mid season otherwise it causes more headaches then it fixes. However if you notice a spot on any map where camping causes the infected to be unable to reach them or attack them then email the admins or steam message one of them to let them know.

I actually have a lot of respect for all of the admins individually (though I note that it may not appear so from this thread), and am grateful for the time that they commit to this game and this community. However I am exasperated at the inconsistency in the rules. There needs to be clear guidance from the rules as to what is and what is not permitted. In the instance of speed climbing there clearly isn't at the moment. In fact from the rules it is expressly not allowed as it falls within the definition of glitching.

Whilst I am sure that I could write to Valve, I don't think I will waste my time. As they cannot fix major bugs I am sure that they can't fix this one.

With regards to the true meaning of a glitch, a glitch actually takes time to find practice and get good at doing it, also glitch's take away some small aspect of the game that would otherwise work differently.

Thus the molly trick is a glitch as it takes time to get that throw just just it also spawns one less horde if the molly trick is used. However going all the way up to the scaffolding and shooting the wall or even throwing the molly from there spawns TWO hordes and thus is legal as nothing is taken away from the game. You can go back to the garage or safe room and defend but the time taken gives the infected opportunities to attack.

DA5 is just bad end of story you can camp it in many places where the infected common and special just cant get to you without solid teamwork. And yes with a good survivor team the corner is very hard to attack.

NM4 that spot behind the bed would be fine if only one person were in it but any more causes the players to clip into each other and landing a pounce or smoke is next to impossible through the wall of interlocked melee spam. The closet on the other hand can be done as long as the survivors don't clip into each other.

DA4 rule is plain stupid, except when you pile the tables across the entrances this causes a transparent wall which hunters can't seem to pounce through, so with that said it makes sense.

The last thing is the speed ladder climbing, in true glitch meaning IT IS a glitch BUT everyone in the world does it in every single source based game. It is a lame excuse that "oh well everyone else does it so we won't call it a glitch".

But just like real sports there are things frowned upon yet they go unpunished or uncontrolled, example being diving in football, yes its wrong to fake a dive and yes it can create a penalty or free kick which you can score from but everyone in the world does it and goes unpunished, most of the officials even turn a blind eye to it, its something your gong to have to put up with until people decide to play fairly and not "win win win must win at all costs".

Also getting this worked up over a video game is wrong, you won't ever accomplish anything in a video game, on the other hand a real sport you can, if you take it half as serious as gaming then your bound to make your mark in that sport be it as a player/competitor or coach/ management.

But the rules are not the be all and end all salvasian - the community decides what is glitching or a bug. In this case it has decided (A long time before you came around) it is not a bug or glitch enough to warrant a breach of rules. I am sorry you do not like it but it is a fact - a fact that has been agreed about in the community for about 4 or 5 years.. possible longer as i think the ladder thing was in the HL1 engine as well (correct me if you know!).

As for the rules then they get reviewed and updated at the end of every season - if you feel like something really should be put into the ruleset then email the admins or steam message them. The admins can't think of everything themselves.

Use the search function before posting repeat threads.

Thanks Patteh I had never thought about that. They should really introduce some feature like that to the internet, it takes me forever to randomly go through the IP addresses to find anything.

one thing that confuses me you want to have speed ladder glitching banned yet you want a bunny hop which was not intended by valve programmers to be allowed yet you ask for consistency?

Well I am fairly certain I will never get consistency, but otherwise I concede the point to you Aussie.

Man... I dont know you at all, but, is it that time of the month? Like seriously! Get over it no one else complains that i know. And why does it really matter if everyone is in the same boat anyway?

I reckon this all stemmed from someone giving you shit over not being able to speed climb...HAHAH

-_-'' Source days? you're all ******* nubs. It's been around since hl1 days. Like, truely, if valve didn't want it, you'd think after wut? A decade lol? Wouldn't it be removed?

TL;DR ZZZZZZZ STFU

Wow Salv, I'm surprised you haven't asked for Jesus Pulls and Bunny Hopping to be banned as well, given both were not intended originally by Valve. They could be termed "glitches" as well.

Speed Climbing has been accepted for ages as mentioned before, and whether it could be called a glitch or not, both teams have the ability to employ this tactic when climbing ladders, so it is fair to both teams.

I am annoyed at the wording of the DA3 molly trick (which is actually piss easy to do and thus doesn't require any real skill except to be able to aim your throw up and over) since it's not the mollying that should be banned, but the backtracking to the saferoom/garage that causes the single horde to come.

It isn't the mollying of the crescendo that should be banned, but the backtracking that should be.

The problem with L4D is even if you rush forward, you can get it so only 1 horde comes (and since they are behind you, they struggle to catch up.) if you manage to get out to the area designated for the crescendo as the backtracking to the garage allows to happen.

The NM4 Bed clipping means that the team can melee all they like and hunters can't really get a show in. Also, even if the bed part was discounted, having all 4 clipping there, breaks the rule that says no more than 2 players in a corner. So, just live with it.

Given there is no cover at all near the rope line in DA5, there is no chance of a boomer getting close or a smoker of being in a position to smoke someone easily and that is (in my eyes) the primary reason that it is out of bounds. The other corner that you complained about has a back area, the plane boarding ramp thingy, the area to the side and (depending on survivor positions) 2 spawning points around poles that can be utilized.

If you expect that to be banned, then the BH5 trees should be too since unless the boomer spawns in the middle of the survivors, he has no chance of getting a boom off on a half decent team.

Just play the game and if you have a concern about a rule, talk to the admins. You don't need to moan about it in the forums when everyone has to play by those same rules.

Still causes two hordes to come man, we found that out the hard way last night.

Speaking of inconsistancy...

"Strafe climbing is a glitch i dun liek plz get rid of"
"Bunny pouncing is a glitch but i liek dis 1 plz dun get rid of"

WHY IS DIS THREAD EXIST?

WHHHHHHHHHHHHHY? REAVER PLS TELL ME WHY DIS EXIZTZ BRAHZ?