I'll go through each of the points made here (best i can) and try to make my opinion known on each one.

Firstly, he may not be on Team B, but he IS part of AoS, so i'm assuming this is a clan thing.

Secondly, i believe he made this thread so he can make a point on the state of the ladder and the state of admins (not that i personally believe there is a problem there, it was just unfortunate there were not available for this match)

Well, you guys are talking about being sore losers, in my eyes you guys are being sore winners. There's no need for this kind of backlash to someones simple opinion.


Okay, fraps it? Seriously, come on. These are 15 minute games we're talking about. Saving that as an .avi would be absolutely massive, and it would be unreasonable to make the admins download and watch them. It would be much easier to just be there at the appointed time.



Well actually, one of our members, the captain of Team B, carr!on, accepted the challenge and quit the day after. But that's irrelevant. Another day, another argument.

Um. Yeah. I dunno, i may have missed a few parts but thats all i can think of. I need sleep.

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fair enough

but i just want to know wat does AoS want more refs, a rematch, anything else?

coz the thread is goin around in circles so what would u like to come from this

Well if we follow the rules, there is nothing to be done. But I sort of brought this up to ty and stop it in the future

As i said in the first post:


The main problem is that there could have been something wrong, and if rules are broken once people will want to break them again and again until something goes wrong. The rule was put there for a reason and i believe it is still needed.

ok then well there has only been 2 matchs with no refs

and every match we try to get 1 admin there i do a post for every game in the admin bit and we try to get one there if we cant then we let the 2 teams know

but to be honset i thought milk was goin to play so he could ref but he didnt it doesnt need to be a big problem

like i said before we TRY to get one ref each match

LoL @ idiots crying about how bad the competitive scene is for a game that is about as competitive as barbie games.

i'm actually surprised that there's enough people dumb enough to even think this game deserve a ladder.

now it just proves it doesnt.

the fact is, tailgunner needs to dry his eyes (Princess). QQ

Really who gives 2 flying ****s. No admin, have a winge, the game isnt going to be different.


qqq

Who is this ******?

careful motion you might get banned!! didn't you see asterix warning?

TailGunner, i apologise for my first post, as it came from a frustrated Admin.

i will try and go through things the best i can, to try and help you understand where we are coming from as the admins.

i wud firstly also like to apologise for the remarks made by other FTW members in relation to ur OP and comments made afterwards, and thank you for not turning this into a huge arguement.

In regards to the rules, there was plenty of discussions between admins, prior to the rules being put in place, and 1 of the main points was the Refereeing/Admining of a match.

we werent going to have admins for matches at the start and i was just going to set up the server, with the time limits it currently has in place, but have it so the server restarted at the Match time and then the timer wud kick in and both teams wud need to be ready for when the timer ran out, and if not ready for that time the match wud be forfeited by the team not ready. however because we had 5 admins at the time, we decided that there was enough of us to referee each match and generally look after any problems that may arise during a game (so far the only problem has been PB in a game the other night and a game AoS A played in, in which i had to turn PB off and the match started 45mins later).

so we put the rule in the rules because we had 5 admins and that would have been plenty to be able to get a referee to each match, however as posted earlier only me and Watchout have done any admining and if we really stuck by the rules that meant that all 3 FTW teams wud have needed to forfeit everygame, because we also had the rule that the Admin wudnt be able to referee a match that their clan was playing in, but because no other admins have been involved i have so far refereed 2 FTW games and watchout has Refereed all Team C's matches.

i had some advice from Asterix, when the very first rule break came up, and his advice was that if we wanted this ladder to continue, dont be to harsh on the rules even tho they are in place, if we go to harsh on the rules, then no games will be played and all teams will get shitty that there isnt any games being played when in fact all we ever wanted was a way for the Australian Crysis community to have some clan games together in and organised fashion, and if i had been 100% by the rules we would have had a lot more problems then we have had so far.

so far the rules have been broken on MANY occasions without being a problem to any match.

and in relation to the way games have been refereed, for me it has worked like this in most games and u can think what u like about it, but all i have needed to do is restart the server and say GAME IS LIVE, so here is the truth about how i have refereed.

im there for the start of the match and i get the teams ready, do the restart, say GAME IS LIVE, then in most cases i alt tab and browse some forums, coming back in to have a look when i think i need to, i havent really needed to be there as the game takes care of itself, im there just to get the game started when both teams are ready, exactly what i was getting OB1 to do for your game last night.

if this ladder had been and actual tournament with soem prizes at the end and some sort of acknowledgement for the team that wins, i wud have taken it more seriously, but it has turned into a bit of a farce and there wont be a season 2.

3/4 of the teams dont even play Wars any more, i know that the whole of Team A dont plays Wars anymore, i play some games here and there, if that ladder had kept the amount of players it had at the start and there had been more games played regularly then it wud have been nice, but its been a bit of a joke, the ladder has been here for how long and my team has had 1 match.

the Finals arent going to prove anything in my opinion.

to me the TF team has been the team of the ladder, always challenging and completing matches, they really got behind the ladder and tried to make it work, i know some other teams have played some matches, but to me TF deserve the accolades as they improved dramatically as a team and really stood out from the rest.

if there is anything u wud like answered please fire away with questions.

Cheers Wounded

i got a question. Why is tailgunner such a bitch? qq

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dont be stupid carts

omg tailgunner.. hes saying if theres somfin to complain about then say it!!... not i hav a right to stand up for the other aos team... read.... think... then type.....


well sed wounded btw pretty much explains everything!... as well y fight over a silly computer game anyways i srsly dont care anymore as we've had 1 game in how many weeks has the ladder been going for??...

Edited once, 11/12/08 - 3:24pm.

Well, i did read and maybe you should have read a little higher up, Quacks post was directly after i wrote 'i ain't even on that team'
in the 12th post, which is before i edited it and added all the rest.

Now, if someone is to reply 'EXACTLY!!! So wtf are you on here crying like a baby for?' to ''i ain't even on that team' my responce is perfectly acceptable and address what was said.

Also, FTW could have set up their best team down the bottom of the ladder so that they could challenge each other, as no one wanted to challenge FTW team A because they are supposed to be the best of FTW. Just like AoS team A hasn't been challenged either, we were just smarter in letting Team B start in spot 3.

Gazz, I think you should read.... think... then type.....

In reply to your post Wounded, All i really wanted to see was the rules being addheared to, maybe to stop all of this we could remove the admin rule, or allow the admins to pospone the matches if there is a conflict.